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We also produce spare parts and proprietary accessories for the FAL. Avoid the DSA stuff - quality issues. On FAL rifles and variants, the barrel threads into the receiver. The classic Edition DSA SA58 rifles are manufactured by DS Arms - All Parts U.S. Made! APEX Gun Parts is your source for hard to find gun parts, parts kits, and accessories. Removed the carry handles (It's Not a Bloody Purse, Mate! The depth and breadth of information there is unlike any other forum online. price $18.95. So let's get to it. 6bg6ga. Another very high-quality option were the Springfield Armory SAR 48/SAR 4800. Fits All In Spec FAL Receivers, Both Metric And Inch Pattern. Our first rifles were these G1s that we restored and KG coated. dsa fal sa58 20rd magazine new. The classic Edition DSA SA58 rifles are manufactured by DS Arms - All Parts U.S. Made! The barrels will not have serial numbers which is normal for Imbel. Joined May 22, 2016 Messages 2,286 Reaction score 5 Points 0 Location Crestview. I've spent the last few years diving into collecting these rifles and thought I'd share some of what I've learned and maybe help someone choose their first FAL. Sadly enough, it needs a new barrel before I can get it. The SA58 OSW (Operational Specialist Weapon) is an assault-carbine variant of the paratrooper model of the FAL. The SA58 FAL can use any metric-measurement FAL magazines, which come in 5, 10-, 20-, or 30-round capacities. Thread starter Red; Start date Oct 15, 2017; Prev. Shortly after DSA stopped using the high-quality LMT receiver and brought production in house as the Steyr parts and surplus parts in general became hard to find. Defective DSA Barrels; FAL Tutorials. It's fantastic. Price $18.95. are individually fitted to rifles. FAL 20rd. FN FAL … The second was a STG-58 16" barrel with Austrian brake, metal forearms had to be changed. A place for responsible gun owners and enthusiasts to talk about guns without the politics. FN Fal/l1a1. more details : maglula fal mag loader and unloader - 7.62x51mm / .308 win ... fal picatinny scope mount, metric or inch. It garnered a reputation for extreme reliability, durability, and user friendliness over its decades of service and one of the rifles biggest fans is our boss man Steve. Thanks u/heekma for this post and being a Falholic and 1911 nut! Armory » FAL Discussions [ARCHIVED THREAD] - Century R1A1, Metric or inch?>>>NOW WITH PICS! They differ in rifle size and magazine size, and are generally not interchangeable. They are most easily recognized by their model number, "STG 58" and having a serial number starting with "DS," not "DSA." These rifles became the SA58 line of semi-automatic rifles unveiled by the company in 1997, employing a combination of both original and newly made parts along with newly made semi-automatic receivers. First off: Arm yourself with knowledge. Also, are the muzzle breaks pinned on? As an interesting side note, Steyr's parts are the only parts so consistent that you could disassemble 10 rifles, mix the parts in a bin and assemble 10 perfectly working rifles from mixed parts. Neat :). Price $21.99. Didn't realize that was the sweet spot. I think an interesting bit of info for OP in particular is that DSA up to the time in which I bought my Congo was specializing in just sourcing and selling NOS and high quality FAL parts of all kinds, and Dave Salvaggio (the DS in DSA) had yet to buy all of Steyr's FAL tooling and the 40 tons of parts. Skip to content. This Congo has a 16.25" barrel, gorgeous park, and was one of their earliest builds to come from DSA. Covers Inch, Metric, Israeli and Indian models. More Details Buy. My FAL's are set up the same way, 16" barrels, inch safeties, DSA stripper top covers, Eotech, 3x FTS optic, Tapco SAW grip, BFG medic sling, zero rise MB's. The only Inch-pattern receiver on the market. Discussion in 'Gunsmithing and Repairs' started by JeffTC, Jul 10, 2020. DSA FAL SA58 U.S. Made Metric Pattern Magazine - 20 Round 2-pack. I'm by no means an advanced collector, just an avid enthusiast and since I have a hard time finding complete rifles I want to buy I'm in the process of building them instead. DSA makes a good rifle but on the downside they're expensive ($1,700 to start) and they deviate substantially from the original design using an aluminum lower and cast upper receiver. I'm an early member of the Files (circa 2001), have built several FALs on DS prefix (early) and Imbel Gear Logo receivers, own the requisite Big Blake Stevens Bible, and am very happy to see this too increasingly rare type of post about this amazing rifle that I love. I think a nice clone made of less worn parts like yours is the better option. I have a couple kits, two receivers on the way and hunting for a third. Therefore it's important to know what you're buying and what parts were used. I bought it cheap it from a friend who was having problems with it, as it has the dreaded "unibrow" receiver. View Larger Image. The inch versions are mainly semi-automatic fire only, while the metric ones are usually select fire. ), replaced with washers. Some were put together in basement shops by Saturday mechanics and not head spaced properly. Price: $24.95 ... DSA-SA58 FAL-Israeli Rifle-Hebrew War Hammer-Officer Grade. Disclaimer: it's junk, see for yourselves. Password: Register: iTrader: FAQ: Calendar: Mark Forums Read: Notices: WTB / WTS / WTT ADS. Ok cool just the info I needed. Two variations because part of the world (UK, Canada, … I'm also excluding the much more expensive, rare and collectible Belgian imports from the late 1970s and early 1980s. Join FALfiles.com and soak up the expertise there daily. DS Arms FAL SA 58 Tactical Carbine- SA5816TAC-A DSA Arms. I figure those three will keep me busy this year, but I'm always on the lookout for a nice pile of parts to grow into another complete rifle. Last, but certainly not least, are kit-built rifles from well-known FAL gunsmiths. Here's a nice parts kit I recently purchased. Avoid the Korean new production stuff - again, quality issues. for sale online. Some guns were assembled from a mixture of each therefore the problems experienced could be traced back to inept gunsmiths and manufacturers. Metric were almost everywhere else - South Africa, Belgium, Germany, Austria, South America, etc, etc. The three rifles in this test all accepted scopes on their top rails. It's been supplanted by newer, lighter designs, parts are scarce and expensive and it seems to be headed toward a niche collectible. FAL 20RD STEEL MAGAZINE, METRIC. 4. $6.00. FAL SA58 Metric Pattern Polymer Magazine-20 Round-DS Arms Mags. Paid 2k for the C2A1, price on the Israeli FAL is likely going to be around 1800, but it'll be coming with issued (period correct) scope+mount, But you know what the worst part is? The DS Arms Extreme Duty Scope Mount for the FAL rifle is the gold standard across the world for being able to mount any type of optic to any type of FAL rifle. When examined side by side the difference between a type one, and a type two FAL is not very evident. I paid $1200 for it and still have my receipt and old catalogs! For me they're not an investment, just a labor of love. i had to use a inch sight to fix my Fal after i cut it down to 17.5". By serial number #30k, the STG 58s were using less and less Steyr parts, gradually using a mix of Steyr and South African parts as well as new DSA parts. One … This was probably a better choice than sheet steel for the tropical Asian climate. I noticed the mags were worn on the latch more on one side than the other. Hell a lot of them won't even go into the mag well. FAL’s come in inch-pattern or metric-pattern, depending on their country of origin. For metric rifles, compliance parts can also be found at DS Arms, and you heathens that want to “modernize” your FAL will find a number of interesting items from them as well. They are still high-quality rifles, but avoided by collectors who may want to use the receiver for a build of their own. As with the L1A4, it has the recessed press stud, the simplified … The important part about metric fal's, is when the barrel is 16", the gas port hole should Metric FALs but more of a general buyers guide, mostly touching on which rifles to look for specifically and why. Be the first to know about new products, special offers and training events! Nov 4, 2017. L1A1 Inch Pattern FAL 20 Round Magazine. The DS Arms Extreme Duty Scope Mount for the FAL rifle is the gold standard across the world for being able to mount any type of optic to any type of FAL rifle. DS Arms’ … Want to order some para conversion parts from DSA. I was fortunate and am old enough to have gotten parts kits when they were plentiful and everywhere. The weird thing is the FAL isn't metric at all. Replacing the safety selectors with DSA extended ones (basically inch selectors designed to fit metric lowers) 7. They had a hard life in Rhodesia and an even harder life when passed down to Zimbabwe. Thread starter #11 Red New Member. Inch pattern rifles like this one all require a breaching washer in order to properly time them (though I have seen a few metric builds need them as well). Manufactured by DSA, Inc. using DSA Type 1 carry handle cut metric pattern receivers, and Imbel parts kits. Item Number: 620ABSB-A. And original surplus Fal mags of any flavor have pretty much dried up so the price is up. The FAL came to us with a Leupold 3-9X Tactical scope already mounted and sighted-in. There's one option and one option only, DSA. Mine is a Canadian C2A1 FALO. Parts do not drop in like an AR and barrels, bolts, etc. Factory correct SA 48/4800s should have matching numbers on the upper receiver, bolt and carrier. DS Arms or DSA builds the famous FN FAL rifle in the US using state of the art manufacturing techniques. The FAL is an incredibly sleek rifle that has lines reminiscent of a high … I spent the (for the time) outrageous price of $325 for a "light wear" grade STG parts kit that would fetch well over $1000 these days! Metric FAL magazines CAN be used on an “inch pattern” rifle without modification, although the fit is a bit sloppy and they are not as reliable. DSA SA58 21" FAL … CUSTOMER SERVICE: M-F: 8:30am - 5pm SAT & SUN: Closed. Here's an example of a nice matching parts kit on Imbel I recently purchased from a well-known builder. Inch is the term for the Commonwealth guns - UK, Australia, Canada, NZ, etc. 6.8K likes. This isn't a history lesson or in-depth description of Inch vs. Same goes for the PSL mags. In fact, the SAR 48/4800 is actually of higher quality than some of the later Belgian imports which used a cast, not forged upper receiver. The bolt and carrier are Inch due to the relief cut on the bolt and the 3 square hols on each side of the carrier. to me putting the old furniture on a new rifle wouldnt be right but to each is there own. On the other hand, “inch pattern” mags cannot be fitted to a “metric” rifles without modification. Dsa customer service for me has been. It has a Steyr lower, barrel, handguards, bipod, flash hider and some Steyr small parts. However, if you simply want a high-quality FAL there are still a ton of great rifles out there, no need to go off the deep end and build--you just need to know what to look for. The bolt and carrier are South African. More Details Buy. Experimental Magazine for BREN 7.62NATO, from Britain approx 1956. LOWER RCVR: METRIC: INCH/commonwealth: Israeli: Pistol grip nut: 1/4"x28: 1/4"x28: 1/4"x28: Recoil tube exterior: 17/32" x 36: 17/32" x 36: 17/32" x 36: Recoil tube interior : 15/32" x … … The result was a metric-pattern FAL rifle chambered for 7.62x51mm built to correct specifications on original tooling, all right here in the United States. DS Arms, SA 58 FAL Para Folder Carbine, Semi-automatic, 308 Win, 16.25" Barrel, Black Finish, Folding Adjustable Sights. I'm lucky to have not just one, but three expert filers living close to me! The CA compliant DSA SA58 FAL 18 Inch Traditional Carbine rifle has a Fixed Stock and 18 inch traditional profile barrel. The AR-10A4 and SR-25 … As I'm on a business trip I'll have to get the serial number later, but this gun was purchased twenty one years ago! More Details : MAGLULA FAL MAG LOADER AND UNLOADER - 7.62x51MM / .308 WIN. When you're done you'll have a great rifle, but one you'll never get your money back out of. DS Arms FAL SA58 Metric Pattern Polymer Magazine - 20 Round - Black Price: $19.95 MSAR XM17 E4 AR15 30 Round Smoke Polymer Magazine - 5.56 / .223 / 300 BLK Caliber Price: $49.00 View product. Even with the hole completely open it cycled no prob and slung the brass a mile away. And same for the plastic Thermold stuff. Here's an example of an early DSA STG 58 (my first FAL). AK47-4PACK MAGAZINES AK47/74 Mags. IMBEL FAL BAYONET WITH SCABBARD. Price: $1,665.00 View product. The SA58 Metric full length Gas system M-lok interface handguard (021FAS-ML-A) and the SA58 metric short length gas system M-lok interface … ChicagoZman Jan 30, 2012. Although buying new has it's merits, purists prefer the forged steel upper receiver, hammer-forged barrels and heavy-gauge stamped-steel lowers of the original military versions, which brings me to an even better option: older kit built rifles from DSA. $7: FAL 30 rd original metric configured mag. first class 10-15-2016, 07:02 AM #19. Tags: .308; fn fal; imbel; l1a1; JeffTC Member. Later serial numbers may also have upper receivers with slightly different specs which make using a standard military barrel problematic. ... there's a good pic about the difference between inch and metric over at 50ae.net, Metric vs. Until then, piecemeal build. The SAR 4800 is post ban and differs only with a pinned fake flash hider and thumbhole stock. FAL LEATHER DUAL MAG POUCH, AUSTRIAN G-VG . No problem, happy to help someone avoid a lot of the mistakes I did over the last few years. Includes tools, selecting and preparing parts; barreling and timing; adjusting headspace; tuning gas system for optimal performance; customizing; complete disassembly & reassembly, function testing and troubleshooting. This isn't a history lesson or in-depth description of Inch vs. These are downright rare these days. Lastly there's the "build your own" route using a parts kit and a new or used receiver. … Frankly I would only buy a Century or Entreprise if it had an Imbel receiver which I would keep for a build and sell the balance of parts to offset the purchase price. His opinion of the rifle is, in my opinion, valid. ARCHIVED; Posted: 4/19/2009 2:49:51 PM EST Just bought a Century R1A1, on it's way to my dealer. Soon going to be buying a Belgian made Israeli contract FAL (first gen, so made around the 50's). Israeli FAL Firing Pin Used. Most of the metric versions do not have folding cocking handles, while most of the inch version do. The FN FAL is built in metric and inch patterns. : GunBroker is the largest seller of Other Rifle Accessories & Parts … More … Many even used complete numbers-matching parts and all were assembled according to Steyr's blueprints. The bolt and carrier should have a Steyr proof mark consisting of an oval with a number in the middle. Expect to pay $1,200-$1,300+ depending on condition, serial number and overall quality of the parts kit used. METRIC: INCH/commonwealth: Israeli: Barrel: 1"x16 : 1"x16 : Gas tube nut: 9/16"x24: 9/16"x24: 9/16"x24: Take down pin assy: 1/4"x32: 1/4"x28 : BHO/Mag release screw pin #10x32 #10x32 #10x32 . more details : fal keymod handguard with picatinny top rail. If you don't want to go down the FAL rabbit hole, stop here, buy a new DSA and be happy. Unfortunately the barrel has been chopped to 16.75" but all major parts are Steyr and the bolt, carrier and barrel are NOS. The DSA SA58 FAL is manufactured by DS Arms - All Parts are U.S. Made! Let's start with buying new. FAL SA58 Metric Pattern Polymer Magazine-20 Round-DS Arms For Sale. When compared to other battle rifles of the era, the FAL is my hands down favorite because of the ergonomics and mild recoil. The upper receiver is an early forged LMT type I. Here's my experience: DSA FAL , DSA metal mags locked in well, DSA polymer was very tight, foreign surplus of a variety of types (South Africa, FN Belgian, Israeli) varied but were tighter than I liked, where I had to give them an extra push using my palm on the bottom of the mag sometimes. Expect to pay a bit more for these types of rifles, usually $1,700-$2,000. Arizona Response Systems is one of the most well known, but there are several smaller, less-known FAL gunsmiths assembling stellar FALs. This time the three .308-caliber semiauto rifles were a U.S-made FAL with 16-inch barrel built by DS Arms, Inc., on its own receiver; an ArmaLite AR-10A4, and a Stoner SR-25 by Knight’s Armament. DSA FAL SA58 20RD MAGAZINE NEW. Add to cart. Since Austria never used their FALs in conflict and maintained them meticulously, the vast majority of these parts were in near new condition and many were even NOS. Here's my very late serial number STG 58 (the greenish rifle). They feature original Imbel 21" barrels with chrome lined chambers and original Flash hider. Currently available in two different lengths. The original finish and patina on the parts is just icing on the cake. DSA is not just a partsset assembler like others, but actually fabricates every FAL part in house and through carefully selected qualified long term vendors. Here's my SAR 4800 with "Accurizing Kit" installed. more info Quick view Add to Cart. Also, are the muzzle breaks pinned on? User Name: Remember Me? On the plus side they come with a warranty and peace of mind and they offer many different options and barrel lengths. Go. $1.50. The barrels should be marked "Kal 7,62," "7.62 x 51 VCL 10" with a Steyr bullseye proof or "7.62 x 51 STLF" with a large or small Steyr bullseye proof. 5. Any info on these is greatly appreciated. Hello all. The Indian 1A bayonet is closely patterned after the British L1A4 bayonet, except that it has wooden grip scales. These are often hit or miss, assembled with varying degrees of care and expertise and usually used a hodge-podge of whatever mix of parts available. It garnered a reputation for extreme reliability, durability, and user friendliness over its decades of service and one of the rifles biggest fans is our boss man Steve. Next up are the most common FALs found, those made by Century and Entreprise. Get some pics of the lower, bolt, carrier and barrel, let's see what you've got! metric FAL. Are these metric parts kits built on metric or inch receivers? We moved to the then new Bake on Duracoat (the only kind then), Cerakote was still far in the future, in fact, if done right, Duracoat is comparable. I'm continuing work on my IMBEL/DSA FAL build (hopefully I can post some "finished" photos in a week or two), but in the meantime I got a chance to take my R1A1 out to the range for the first time. … Right now I have five FALs with three really nice kits. We specialize in all military surplus weapons from AK-47s, AR-15s, Mausers, CETME, Enfields, UZIs, and much more! AK47-4PACK MAGAZINES. We set ourselves apart by supplying unique parts at a good value and standing by our products by offering outstanding customer service. Press J to jump to the feed. DSA SA58 21" FAL RIFLE CLASSIC SERIES Battle Rifles. DSA was getting rid of mags, very good condition Steyr mags for $20 for a box of twenty with new twenty round springs in cosmoline, and 30rnd 7.62 Bren Mags in their original military crates of 12 per for $360! The DSA SA58 FAL 18 Inch Traditional Carbine 308WIN classic exceeds the quality of any FAL type rifle ever produced as a Featureless CA Legal Rifle! I saved this post for when I get to the Stg 58 for my collection. Springfield also offered an "Accurizing Kit" which simply consisted of the banned parts removed before import. New DSA, Inc. FAL .308 caliber semi-automatic rifle. Good review, I've got an older DSA 16 inch carbine and a Century L1A1 which works remarkably well considering all the bad press Century gets. 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