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My Taylor's & Co.'s, angled out, six shot converter cylinder, lets me shoot both 45 Colt and 45 Schofield ammo. That maintains the proper headspace. Mine will as easy as the Tracker does. Right off I’ll say I’m referring specifically to the Legion. If the revolver in question is supplied with a separate cylinder specifically for the Auto Rim cartridge, there should be no problem. Taurus does not recommend the acp round in the judge. Virtually identical ballistically. Sorry! And of course, the 45 Cowboy Specials, albeit with a lot [â¦] The Reloaders Network focuses on firearms, shooting sports, reloading, bullet casting, and the related gear and accessories. 0 Comments. Trying to crimp on these bullets turns the case mouth out and relaxes the neck tension on the bullet, resulting in errattic performance. I do not have either .45 ACP or .45 Long Colt in my hand to compare the two. check out the, Welcome to the Pennsylvania Firearm Owners Association Forum, we hope you like what you find here and we strongly encourage you to. So since im using the same medium frame, which can handle the 19,000 ACP load, why am I held to the 45 Colt at 14,000, … A buddy of mine gave me some the cartridges, but I don’t have a gun in .45 Auto Rim. I do not have either .45 ACP or .45 Long Colt in my hand to compare the two. Left to right in this photo the cartridges are 45 Colt, 45 Schofield, 45 Cowboy Special, 45 Auto Rim, and 45 ACP. Rough Rider: One of 2020's Top-Selling Revolvers. by NRA Staff - Even if it has been altered to take ACPs in moon clips, there is usually enough of the rear face of the cylinder left uncut so you can still shoot.45 Colt. Get the American Rifleman Insider newsletter for at-a-glance access to industry news, gear, gun reviews, videos and more—delivered directly to your Inbox. Friday, April 25, 2014. Their 45 ACP is the same diameter as a 45 colt bullet. is the same, and the rim will hold the cartrage in place. These cartridges have seen it all, from casual target shooting to all-out war. Some of the judges will take the full moon clips for the 45 acp Trackers. .45 Colt & .45 ACP Bullets One other bit of information: Bullets for the .45 ACP do not have a crimping cannelure, and if loaded in .45 Colt cases, no attempt to crimp should be made. Bullet weights will be what is different. I do have a .45 Colt, though, and it looks like it should work. The 45 acp round head spaces on case mouth not the rim. 45 Colt vs 45 ACP Old vs New . Sep 6, 2015 The .45 Colt and .45 ACP chambering would require at least double the time and shooting as well as ammunition as a sixgun with only one chambering, while trying the other cartridges would certainly add to this. A. I would not encourage anyone to attempt to fire a .45 Auto Rim cartridge in a cylinder chambered for .45 Colt. The .45 ACP ammunition was pleasant shooting in the big, heavy Redhawk. Both of my cylinders (.45 Colt and .45 ACP) shoot extremely well. The shorter barrel and gas escaping at the barrel cylinder gap of the revolver probably explains this. The standard .45 ACP cartridge utilizes a full 50% more pressure than a .45 Colt, at 21,000 PSI. I have a Ruger New Vaquero. Brief overview of the Colt .45 ACP Series 80, including closeup video segments, and target shooting. Barrett Awarded U.S. Army Sniper Rifle Contract, Heritage Mfg. It appears that the length and case wall diameter of .45 Winchester Magnum is close enough to .45 Colt that the former cartridge is already dimensionally compatible with existing .45 Colt cylinders. I have A S&W 625 made to shoot .45 acp in moon clips, or .45 autorim. So from what I understand a gun in .454 Casull will shoot .45 caliber bullets although they would have to be rimmed so therefore .45 ACP would not work. So, I do not need moon clips at all. I normally shoot .45 ACP ammo through a 5 inch barreled 1911 pistol so I was a little surprised at how much the velocity of these loads dropped in the 4 inch barreled Ruger. The .45 ACP is an extremely capable round and thought to have tremendous stopping power. I see no problem, as the cal. To that end, a .45 Colt or Long Colt will NOT work in a semi automatic pistol the likes of the Colt 1911. And you can still shoot ACP rounds safely because they headspace on the case mouth on the shoulder in the chambers. It’s not an apples to apples comparison, though. Jerry got a range day! Can you safely shoot a .45 Auto Rim cartridge in a revolver chambered for a .45 Colt? This could certainly cause headspace and functioning problems. That means it has to generate higher pressure. 107 Videos. The chamber for a 45 colt is longer and case head spaces on rim. I don't shoot many 45 ACP's, the other rounds are much more fun. The difference may be obvious. The visual cues are readily apparent when trying to load the rounds into the firearm. The difference may be obvious. The .45 ACP is a ballistic twin to the .45 Colt, offering comparable performance, but in a smaller package. In SASS shooting â thatâs cowboy action for you ordinary folks â the .45 Colt is used with incredible speed. However, the relatively small .45 ACP case is more efficient for light loads. Mine will as easy as the Tracker does. E-mail your comments/questions about this site to:[email protected] For questions/comments about American Rifleman magazine, please e-mail:[email protected] You can contact the NRA via phone at: NRA Member Programs1-800-672-3888, To advertise on American Rifleman, visit nramediakit.com for more information. The Krag-Jorgensen: America's First Bolt-Action Service Rifle, © 2021 National Rifle Association of America. RIP: SFN, 1861, twoeggsup, Lambo, jamesjo, If this is your first visit, be sure to Sig Sauer P220 Legion. There are threads on several sites over the years with people using the moon clips and shooting the 45 acp in Judges. Okay! Rifleman Q&A: Why Didn't The U.S. Army Issue .45 Auto Rim? A number of firearm manufacturers have over the years offered .45 revolvers with dual cylinders, one for .45 Auto Rim or .45 ACP cartridges and one for .45 Colt. With that being said I have fired over 5000 rounds through each without a single issue. The new.45 caliber round worked perfectly in the surplus Colt and Smith & Wesson revolvers and essentially matched the performance level of the original 45 ACP load. Accuracy is not tack driving but it's really not that bad either and much better than I … .45 Long Colt would though although it is a less common round than the .45 ACP. I have shot the.45 Gap round in 2 guns that were designed for.45 acp. 12 Views. If you go to .45 ACP +P, it’s even more of an increase at 23,000 PSI. When reloading .45 Colt cartridges, standard reloading practices apply. Howell, won't machine the rim recesses into his 45 acp converter cylinder, so I probably won't go so far as to have one modified. tested the .45 ACP by shooting steers to see how many hits it took to drop one. Join the conversation. You can shoot 45 Cowboy Spl in any 45 … May 2, 2021. Submersion Test: Is That Ammo Really Waterproof? By Jerry 1911. Can I safely shoot the 45 acp bullet loaded for a 45 long colt round in the revolver? Redhawks have been offered in a number of calibers over the years, chief among them being the .357 Magnum, .45 Colt and .44 Magnum. There are threads on several sites over the years with people using the moon clips and shooting the 45 acp in Judges. So was the .45 Schofield, which the Army also adopted as a side arm. And John Browning developed the .45 ACP to do the same thing. outer fragments the instantly start to expand to 14†upon leaving the barrel of the gun and a .024 center slug projectile that travels down the center aim point. You cannot shoot.45 Auto Rim in a.45 Colt revolver. I do not have either .45 ACP or .45 Long Colt in my hand to compare the two. The difference may be obvious. As you know, the .45 Colt is my favorite cartridge — but I still enjoy many others, especially when I can shoot them in the same gun such as the popular and abundant .45 ACP. Have the same weights in either bullet and I want to shoot this in my Tarus Judge 45 long colt. .45 Colt & .45 ACP Bullets One other bit of information: Bullets for the .45 ACP do not have a crimping cannelure, and if loaded in .45 Colt cases, no attempt to crimp should be made. If you can shoot .38 Special ammo in a gun chambered for .357 Magnum, can you shoot .45 ACP ammo in a .45 Long Colt (Taurus Judge). Sorry! Sorry! If you can shoot .38 Special ammo in a gun chambered for .357 Magnum, can you shoot .45 ACP ammo in a .45 Long Colt (Taurus Judge). 45 ACP Multiple Impact Bullet ONE SHOT STOPPING POWER: Compatible with 99.9% of existing guns this unique 4 part bullet has 3 ~55gr. There is a specialty cartridge called the.45 Cowboy Special. Jerry 1911. Ruger’s solution is to cut the back of the cylinder to accept six.45 ACP cartridges while at the same time allowing.45 Colt cartridges to headspace properly. Using cheaper, .45 ACP ball ammunition, the Redhawk would be a great tool for plinking and for practicing various drills without busting the bank. You cannot mistake one for the other. The.45 Colt has a rim larger than the case diameter while the.45 ACP does not; so special modifications are necessary for the latter when used in a DA revolver. 45 Colt reloading Data. Colt 45 is almost twice as long as the 45 ACP. .45 Colt fits this role as well. For light target loads you cannot beat the .45 ACP. As for accuracy, the 454 Casull, 45 Colts and 45 Win Mag's are extremely accurate. .45 Colt is the most versatile cartridge ever and if it’s a swing out cylinder revolver, the cylinder can be cut for moon clips and can shot .45 ACP. The .45 Colt ACP will NOT work in a Colt Single Action pistol or a Colt rifle! So, with regard to the specific question of "what kind of wound is likely to be caused if someone is shot in the upper arm or shoulder with a .45 ACP FMJ," it would most likely be a through and through with a fairly unremarkable exit wound. In a recent shoot, an Inland Manufacturing Co. M1911 .45 ACP gave the same size and even smaller groups at 300 yards than those fired at 250 yards. A number of firearm manufacturers have over the years offered .45 revolvers with dual cylinders, one for .45 Auto Rim or .45 ACP cartridges and one for .45 Colt.-Reid Coffield A 45 acp round without a moon clip falls into the colt chamber so deep it is well out of reach of firing pin for ignition. The best way it's done is so the shoulder in the chambers is not reamed to full depth which causes the 45 COLT to stick out of the chamber the same amount as the ACP round. :o Aside from differences in the dimensions of the cartridge case, the Auto Rim round has a significantly thicker rim, approximately 0.090" versus approximately 0.060". The 45 ACP is accurate out to about 15 yards, after that the accuracy is non existent. The .45 Colt has been around 140 years and will be around another 140 so long as Hilary Clinton isn’t elected president. 100% . 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